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NndnG asked EricBohner-7530 commented

Like Windows 10, can we do grouping in Start in Windows 11?

Hi,

We can do grouping of applications in Windows 10 at Start as below:
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Can we do same in Windows 11? If yes, please let me know, how?

With Regards
NndnG


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That is a deal breaker. Until this is fixed my company and I WILL NOT be using Windows 11. The time, retraining and COST of making this switch is prohibitive.

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It's a common joke that with Microsoft it's never a bug ... it's a feature... but in this particular case... there is a paradigm shift happening in how computers are being used by younger users, that Microsoft is trying to get ahead on.... leaving all of us old-timers scratching our head.

We are used to organizing Files in folders and subfolders, and programs in categories. Then we navigate through the tree to find what we are looking for.

The next generation of computer users grew up using smart phones more than computers and often the apps are in just one large app drawer, so it's easier to search for the app you want. Studies have been done that show that this is how younger computer users are starting programs now. In windows 10 they just typed what they wanted in Cortana and click on the program. They don't bother to categorize or navigate to any of their applications.

Look at the new start menu. The top of the menu... the main part of the menu... is a Search bar. You don't group your icons because you aren't arranging your apps... When you want to open skype you type in sk and there is skype. That is how the youth are using the computer so Microsoft is shifting with it.

I empathize. I'm 44 so I'm definitely old school, but it frustrated me less when I understood the motivation for them making the change. It's not just change for change's sake. There is a method to the madness.

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LeonLaude avatar image LeonLaude EricBohner-7530 ·

I am fully on the same page as you @EricBohner-7530, to likely make a difference I strongly recommend providing feedback or upvoting the existing feedbacks about getting the grouping feature back to Windows 11, the more votes/feedback there is, the higher the chance of this being implemented.

Send feedback to Microsoft with the Feedback Hub app
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/send-feedback-to-microsoft-with-the-feedback-hub-app-f59187f8-8739-22d6-ba93-f66612949332

Here’s also another thread:
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-insider-program/i-want-to-be-able-to-group-app-icons-on-start-menu-windows-11/td-p/2723559

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For example, I have a bunch of apps etc i use for my study programme in one "group" in the Win 10 start. In Win 11 , i now have to remember their names and search for them ... why do younger users think this is more efficient ... strange.

I am certain people can explain it to my 53 year brain, but i am struggling to comprehend it....

I wonder if it is possible to try Win 11 and the revert to Win 10, is this an option, this menu issue is the ONLY reason i have no updated - thanks

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But I can group Icons on my android phone so it sounds like MS is trying to see if anyone is using the feature. They have done this often with new releases. That is why I have 11 on my new computer and have not upgraded any of my older computers. We had a running joke that you always waited two updates before you sent the update to the users.

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While you are certainly correct, giving us "old-timers" (53 here ...) the possibility to do this doesn't take away the "new generation's" way of working ...

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sforman avatar image sforman EricBohner-7530 ·

I guess I'm somewhat in the early generation shift when it comes to this (30). Like on my phone, I tend to pin and organise my most used apps (just visual hierarchy, without folders) and used the cortana search whenever I need something else. So mixed use depending on the use case.

So although I fully understand the implementation and what you've described, I'm still think it's a step back. Not a deal breaker, I'm adaptable, but it would be nice to have this opportunity reimplemented.

Also I'd prefer if I could hide the recommended section.

On a side note, the overall UI change does look to me like something that would work great on a mobile device. Return of Windows Phone? App drawer, nice UI animation in control panel (settings) and with Android app support, the app selection would be less limited.

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I agree. I set up my start menu to take up the whole screen and grouped everything that I use. My most frequently used apps are pinned to my taskbar and my 2nd most used apps are in my start menu. I can get used to this I guess, but now I will need to pin more apps to my taskbar. :(

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Clearly, there should be a choice.

Grouping of frequently used apps allows one to get the the app in just a couple of clicks. Its the only way to manage a large number of commonly used apps (more than 8 say).
I had four or five groups (System. Productivity, Photography, Media, Games) with up to six or seven apps in each.

Using search, you have to know the correct name.

My interim solution is to just have a small number pinned. I don't quite see this as a deal breaker but would be a factor if there are other issues.

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Speaking of other issues ....

What on earth were they thinking putting cut / past etc on a sub menu of rt-click on a file etc? So now two actions for a cut (or paste).
And ... some if the options on the first menu are questionable for frequency of use (the criterion surely for being on the A list) - eg 'pin' , compress, copy as path IMNSHO.

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LOL...different needs for different people but I like to be able to group my start items...saves time and allows me to be more productive...gonna give Apple a shot and then likely switch back to W10.

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Stardock Window 11 Start menu alternative just added this functionality

https://www.stardock.com/products/start11/

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LeonLaude answered LeonLaude edited

Hi @NndnG,

As far as I know it is not possible to do grouping in the Start Menu of Windows 11, you can only pin the applications you want but you cannot group them.

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If the reply was helpful please don't forget to upvote and/or accept as answer, thank you!


Best regards,
Leon



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Yes indeed , an unneeded and I'd have to say Unwanted change . First well second annoyance since upgrading . First was buttons in the middle , easy fix . but not the start menu problem .....

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This option is fine, but should be an option. Windows 10 was great because of the ability to customize to your taste. It's disappointing to upgrade to less. :(

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There is existing feedback about this in the Feedback Hub, I strongly recommend providing feedback to add this feature to Windows 11, the more votes/feedback there is, the higher the chance of this being implemented.

Send feedback to Microsoft with the Feedback Hub app
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/send-feedback-to-microsoft-with-the-feedback-hub-app-f59187f8-8739-22d6-ba93-f66612949332

Here’s also another thread:
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-insider-program/i-want-to-be-able-to-group-app-icons-on-start-menu-windows-11/td-p/2723559

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LimitlessTechnology-2700 answered

Hello @NndnG ,

Unfortunately in Windows 11 start menu you can't group applications, just pin them. Maybe over time this will be implemented so that some features of windows 10 are inside windows 11.

If the answer was helpful, please don't forget to vote positively or accept as an answer, thank you.

Yours sincerely,
Samuel

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GarethDurbridge-4227 answered

I would like to be able to group apps, just like I can on my mobile phone, I would like to created my own logic to help me navigate to my apps. Please bring this back Microsoft

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MarkJones-1297 answered tariqsharif-5124 published

Just upgraded to Win11 and this is the first thing I went to do....and I can't do it. So all of the logical groupings of apps I was used to is now a 3 page set of pinned apps with basic drag and drop ordering. Feels like a step backwards and very disappointing to see this feature now absent.

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I couldn't agree more. It is ridiculous that this feature has been removed.
Definitely a step backwards Microsoft.

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Exactly why i am not updating .... thanks ... microsoft.

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It'd be really nice to have this feature again. I thought it would be retained in W11, but it is a bit annoying to see that I'm unable to group the items in the start into a folder.

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I personally believe that windows made a loss here by trying to copy the philosophy of the "app" interface when it comes to the start windows. I mean, even iPhones and ipads can group apps. I just don't see what's so hard about grouping apps that Microsoft couldn't do.

However, I look forward to a future when they consider it and bring it back. At the very least, it gives us the options to pin or the group.

When all is said and done - Great Job Microsoft on Windows 11. It looks amazing.

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there is this app called start11, it's by Stardock. they have an option to customize win 11 start menu and there you can make start menu full screen and create groups. so the functionality is definitely there.

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Where does one find that app? I went to the Microsoft App store and it's not there.

Grouping apps is a valuable organizational tool which I already miss, and has let me to regret "upgrading" to Windows 11. Some upgrade!!

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From their site or on Steam when they put it on there because right now there's just the Windows 10 focused variant Start10 on Steam but Start11 will come there soon.

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Good luck with Stardock, I have had some people already tell me this is no longer working. What is coming soon from MS is a change to the start bar. Its not a great big change and does not add grouping though. You can see a full article about the changes here: https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/12/01/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-22509/
But with more pins you can arrange the rows to possibly have all items from one group in one row.

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I miss the grouping capabilities also since I am using them also on my phone.
On windows 11 I group the shortcuts to apps on the desktop not ideal but help me to get organized.

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